Who is better, Vines or Hartley?
Ellsworth Vines leads with a GOAT score of 81.7 against 81.6 for John Hartley — a gap of 0.1 points on GOAT Rank's weighted model.
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Vines vs Hartley
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Quick answer
GOAT Rank currently ranks Ellsworth Vines above John Hartley: 81.7 vs 81.6. Ellsworth Vines leads on Dominance, Honours. John Hartley leads on Longevity, Statistics.
How the GOAT Score is calculated →GOAT verdictgoatrank.world
VinesWinner
81.7Vines wins: Dominance, Honours
Hartley
81.6Hartley wins: Longevity, Statistics
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Category radar
Verdict
Weighted GOAT score
🇺🇸 Ellsworth Vines
81.7
Vines leads in 3 of 5 weighted categories.
1. Ellsworth Vines
2. John Hartley
Category breakdown
Season form · Form index per season
Career timeline · Form index per season
Cumulative output season by season — the shape of each career against the other.
GOAT pace tracker
Career stage · GOAT pace
Through season 5 · Form index per season1. 🇺🇸 Ellsworth Vines5 seasons played · career day 1,825378 titles
Setting the pace at this stage
2. 🇬🇧 John Hartley5 seasons played · career day 1,82514 titles
-96.3% vs Vines at the same stage
| Ghost race · career day | 30 | 100 | 365 | 1000 | 1825 | 3650 |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 🇺🇸 Vines | 0 | 0 | 55 | 120 | 378 | 685 |
| 🇬🇧 Hartley | 0 | 0 | 4 | 5 | 14 | 35 |
Careers are aligned from debut; the first 5 season periods are measured against the same career window.
| Metric | VinesRetired | HartleyRetired |
|---|---|---|
| Major singles titles | 3 | — |
| US Championships titles | 2 | — |
| Wimbledon titles | 1 | 2 |
| World professional titles | 3 | — |
| Years ranked world number one | 3 | — |
| Wimbledon finals | — | 3 |
| Consecutive titles | — | 2 |
| Career years | — | 13 |
| Wimbledon appearances | — | 6 |
| Dominance w25% | 84 | 78 |
| Peak w20% | 92 | 92 |
| Longevity w20% | 66 | 74 |
| Honours w20% | 84 | 80 |
| Statistics w15% | 82 | 86 |
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GOAT Rank · the data
Vines81.7
Hartley81.6
FAQ
Where does Hartley beat Vines?
Hartley scores higher on statistics, longevity. Vines leads on dominance, honours.
How is the Vines vs Hartley score calculated?
Both are scored on peak, dominance, honours, statistics, longevity within their sport. Vines: 81.7, Hartley: 81.6.
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