Who is better, Wagner or Lloyd?
Pop Lloyd leads with a GOAT score of 90.6 against 89.8 for Honus Wagner — a gap of 0.8 points on GOAT Rank's weighted model.
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Wagner vs Lloyd
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Quick answer
GOAT Rank currently ranks Pop Lloyd above Honus Wagner: 90.6 vs 89.8. Pop Lloyd leads on Peak, Longevity.
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LloydWinner
90.6Lloyd wins: Peak, Longevity
Wagner
89.8Wagner wins: no category outright
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Time range
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Verdict
Weighted GOAT score
🇺🇸 Pop Lloyd
90.6
Lloyd leads in 5 of 5 weighted categories.
1. Pop Lloyd
2. Honus Wagner
Category breakdown
Season form · Form index per season
Career timeline · Form index per season
Cumulative output season by season — the shape of each career against the other.
GOAT pace tracker
Career stage · GOAT pace
Through season 5 · Form index per season1. 🇺🇸 Honus Wagner5 seasons played · career day 2,9201.8 home runs
Setting the pace at this stage
2. 🇺🇸 Pop Lloyd5 seasons played · career day 3,6511.8 home runs
0.0% vs Wagner at the same stage
| Ghost race · career day | 30 | 100 | 365 | 1000 | 1825 | 3650 |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 🇺🇸 Wagner | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.734 | 2.47 |
| 🇺🇸 Lloyd | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.421 |
Careers are aligned from debut; the first 5 season periods are measured against the same career window.
| Metric | WagnerRetired | LloydRetired |
|---|---|---|
| Batting titles | 8 | — |
| Career hits | 3,420 | — |
| Stolen bases | 723 | — |
| World Series titles | 1 | — |
| Career batting average | 0.328 | 0.343 |
| RBI titles | 4 | — |
| Seasons played | — | 27 |
| Championship teams | — | 5 |
| Negro League batting titles | — | 2 |
| Hall of Fame inductions | — | 1 |
| Dominance w25% | 90 | 90 |
| Peak w20% | 92 | 94 |
| Longevity w20% | 90 | 92 |
| Honours w20% | 84 | 84 |
| Statistics w15% | 94 | 94 |
Fan vote — data vs the people
GOAT Rank · the data
Lloyd90.6
Wagner89.8
FAQ
Where does Wagner beat Lloyd?
Wagner does not lead any of the five categories; Lloyd is ahead or level on all of them.
How is the Wagner vs Lloyd score calculated?
Both are scored on peak, dominance, honours, statistics, longevity within their sport. Wagner: 89.8, Lloyd: 90.6.
What do you think?
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