Who is better, Charles or Sócrates?
John Charles leads with a GOAT score of 84.9 against 84.9 for Sócrates — a gap of 0.0 points on GOAT Rank's weighted model.
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Charles vs Sócrates
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Quick answer
GOAT Rank currently scores John Charles and Sócrates level at 84.9. John Charles leads on Dominance. Sócrates leads on Honours, Statistics.
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CharlesWinner
84.9Charles wins: Dominance
Sócrates
84.9Sócrates wins: Honours, Statistics
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Verdict
Weighted GOAT score
🏴 John Charles
84.9
Charles leads in 3 of 5 weighted categories.
1. John Charles
2. Sócrates
Category breakdown
Season form · Form index per season
Career timeline · Form index per season
Cumulative output season by season — the shape of each career against the other.
GOAT pace tracker
Through age 21 · Form index per season
1. 🏴 John Charles204 goals
3 seasons by age 21 · 68 per season
Setting the pace at age 21
No verified birth date for Sócrates — shown in the pro-debut view instead.
Every career is cut at the season the athlete turned 21, so a rookie today is measured against exactly what a legend had banked by the same birthday.
| Metric | CharlesRetired | SócratesRetired |
|---|---|---|
| Serie A titles | 3 | — |
| Coppa Italia titles | 2 | — |
| Goals for Juventus | 108 | — |
| Wales caps | 38 | — |
| Serie A top scorer awards | 1 | — |
| South American Footballer of the Year awards | — | 1 |
| Brazilian league titles | — | 2 |
| Brazil caps | — | 60 |
| Brazil goals | — | 22 |
| Career goals | — | 258 |
| Dominance w25% | 88 | 82 |
| Peak w20% | 92 | 92 |
| Longevity w20% | 80 | 80 |
| Honours w20% | 78 | 84 |
| Statistics w15% | 86 | 88 |
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GOAT Rank · the data
Charles84.9
Sócrates84.9
FAQ
Where does Sócrates beat Charles?
Sócrates scores higher on honours, statistics. Charles leads on dominance.
How is the Charles vs Sócrates score calculated?
Both are scored on peak, dominance, honours, statistics, longevity within their sport. Charles: 84.9, Sócrates: 84.9.
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